Pick a Chair, Any Chair

So I need your help: After seven years of garden variety family wear and tear, our red dining chairs are just about on their last legs. I get so many comments about them on this blog that I thought you might have some strong opinions about what the next ones should be. We’re not exactly sure what we want yet, but we know we want them to be red, comfortable, on the modern side…and available in knock-off form (!). Based on this criteria, we’ve narrowed it down to the nine you see above. Vote for your favorite in the comment field below and I’ll choose one reader at random to receive a copy of both Dinner: A Love Story and, almost hot off the presses: Dinner: The Playbook. (When I hit the bigtime, maybe then I’ll be able to offer a full dining set as the giveaway — and maybe not even the knock-offs.) Your choices:

1. Tolix Chair 2. Globus Chair 3. Salt Chair 4. Thonet Vienna Chair 5. Wishbone Chair 6. Thonet Era Chair 7. Navy Chair 8. Saarinen Tulip Chair 9. Eames Molded Chair. 

Contest ends Thursday, 8/21 at noon ET. Good luck! UPDATE: The winner (Rosie: #384) has been notified. Thanks for playing everyone!

RIP my beautiful red chairs that are no longer available on the interweb (as far as I can tell).

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474 Comments

Suzannah

#3 Salt chair! I love the look of eames chairs and have a couple myself but they are uncomfortable unless you are sitting all the way back, I like the option to sit on the edge of my seat ;)

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Effie M.

I think 2,5, and 9 are the closest in flavor to the chairs you have, and would all be fantastic at that table. I love all three of them nearly equally, but if pressed I would say 5 is my favorite of those three. At least in this moment.

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Barbara

I like #3 or #5, but no joke… I actually thought #8 was a wineglass before I clicked through from my feedly account.

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AnneL

I recently came extremely close recently to replacing our kitchen chairs with #4 in red but for your table I think I would also opt for #5.

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Amanda

Definitely the Salt chair! They’re timeless yet comfortable. Wishbone is a close second.

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Lauryl

The wishbone looks most like your old ones–like it! Also a sucker for either thonnet… Go with comfort!

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Aimee

#5! Adds a little texture with the seat material which warms it up AND similar shape to the ones you are replacing. Love that chair!

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Christine G.

We’ve been having the same conversation about replacing our beloved but battle-scarred kitchen chairs and are leaning toward #2.

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Margit Van Schaick

If you want a beautiful chair that will last forever, go with #7, the Navy chair. In my opinion, sitting on a really sturdy chair is comfort in itself. And, the styling of #7 is so clean, so pleasing to the eye.

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Kate

#9 is what I’d pick. And I’d warn you away from #1 and #7 because metal chairs are often cold (particularly in winter, though even in summer they make wearing shorts or thin skirts less pleasant). I love the look of both of them, but have sat in them in restaurants and am usually uncomfortable because of the material.

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Cathy

We’re going through the same thing, except replace “chair” with “counter stool” and “red” with “anything except black or white, with a preference to grey, blue, yellow, orange or green. The right shade of color though…”

Here’s my thoughts (if I were choosing for me – I won’t judge you if you don’t have the same thoughts):
1. not very comfortable
2. possible
3. boring/traditional
4. boring-er/traditional-er
5. Love Love Love. BUT – I have 2 smaller children (7 and 3) who, despite my offers of MONEY for their not dropping and spilling food, they are incapable of not staining and making a mess. Is the woven seat able to withstand this level of abuse? It is available in counter height (for me) and in green (for me). Love it.
6. Snore.
7. On our short list. It is aluminum, so lightweight. (both a pro and a con with a 3 year old. She can move it (pro) but can also tip it (con?)
8. Love. A classic. But see #5 for fabric seat/stains.
9. Love so much we have these in light aqua and sparrow. Not available in counter height (that I have found yet).

Longest comment ever?

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Rae Lovvorn

I say #5, the Wishbone. It has nice lines and is wide and comfortable looking. Plus the cane seat will coordinate nicely with your floor.

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Gayle

#6, all the way!

I was madly in love with #1 myself, but a friend got them, we sat in them and they were appallingly uncomfortable. Back to the store they went and it was so sad.

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Kylie Mason

#3 all the way. You don’t want it to be so modern that 5 years from now it dates you! Besides those look like the best “seat” for sitting and chatting too!

Best of luck!

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Wendy

I love my tolix stools! Very comfortable and durable. Thonet not so comfortable for longer periods of time. I also like number 5 though.

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Kristen

#9 all the way! They look like they can be wiped clean easily, but still are stylish and go with yor pendant lamp and table.

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Sarah J

I really like #5 but if you don’t want a woven seat, #3 is classic too.

I only caution AGAINST #1 and #7. I have a vintage knock off of the Navy chair and the aluminum is COLD all year round. In the winter in order to have guests not freeze their butts during dinner (even in my well heated house) I’d have to put sheepskins on them. Not really practical for family meals. I replaced with wood chairs.

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Rosa

I like #4 the best: classic shape in an edgy color. I also like #1, but the color is less vibrant.

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Natalie

My favorite is the wishbone #5- but we’ve had chairs like #7 and they’ve held up so well against spills and kid wear and tear. You can’t go wrong :)

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Jo

Like the general masses…#3 or #5.

Enjoy the new chairs! It’s like a mini kitchen makeover.

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Leann C

Easy – 5! It meets all the criteria in a dining chair: Style, shape, texture, comfort. Done!

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Jennifer

I vote for #5. I personally like the more traditional #3 better, but I don’t think it would jive with your table and pendant light.

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canan

#3 = most comfortable. the metal ones look great, but i worry they wouldn’t be very nice to sit in?

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Ben

In the interest of brevity, go with #7 if you want something nearly bulletproof. If you want something that looks great, mix 2 #6 Era chairs with 2 of the Era armchairs.

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Lauren

I love #4! But please choose one of the options with red legs at least. It’s no fun to have red chairs but have to look at metal or white plastic legs. Good luck!

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Bea

My vote is for #5. Interestingly, the photo is placed in the middle of all of the chairs, much like Alice in the Brady Bunch squares. These chairs will be like Alice – hardworking, cheerful members of your family.

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Steph

My pick is 5 – Wishbone chair. Fun and comfy. Best of luck with the decision making process!

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Stacey

My first pick was #7 then I read a comment that they are cold all year round. I say #5 and #3 are tied then #4.

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aqua6

#2 or 5 – the others would be great as patio chairs but might not be comfy for daily use. I love the color!

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s

I personally like #3 as I like classic lines but looking at your picture it seems 4 or 6 have a similar outline as what you have today.

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Megan

I like number 3 as well. They look a bit more sturdy than the others (we’ve gone through two sets of dining room chairs in the last five years thanks to very active children), but number 5 looks nice too. :)

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Denita

#9 is my favorite, but I think #5 (which is a close second) would look best with your table.

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Brooke

3! They fit the style of your house and take up a bit of space visually like the ones you have now. If you go with one of the slimmer profiles you might find the room feels “empty.”

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Alyssa

I love #4 because it’s classic OR #9 because it reminds me of school for some reason. :)

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Julie C

I think 5 is a lot like what you already have and I really like it.

But I think you should take the opportunity to have something new and therefore my vote is for 9. Looks comfy, stain resistant (your children are older than mine, so no offense intended!), and modern in the best way.

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Don

No. 5 … because it will make a good replacement for your current chairs. I like it a lot.

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Melissa K

#3 Salt chair. They make me wish we didn’t already have perfectly good chairs so I could replace ours.

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Kerry

I like the look of #7. Too bad the old ones are out, but it’s pretty fun to freshen up with some new ones!

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Tara Bennett

I like #5 but I think that it would maybe not last as long as the others?It also might take up a bit too much space, so an extra chair couldn’t be added for extra guests.
#3 is classic –probably what I would chose, but I would secretly want to chose #9.

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Annie

I vote for #3, because it looks the most comfortable! There’s nothing worse than trying to enjoy a delicious meal in an uncomfortable chair.

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Krystal

#8 kinda looks like a wine glass if you squint at the photo and the white and red combo would look good in your house. But only if it is comfy & the seat is easily washed.

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angie

my vote is for #5 also…and i strongly caution against #7. we have them in the stool version and while i do love the look of them…they are cold (as someone mentioned above) but worst of all is they are so lightweight that when kicked…and it’s actually surprisingly often that a chair/stool is kicked it makes a giant clangy sound. it drives us nuts!

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Jen

#3 or #9 – but they are all great! I say you need to get at least 6 and a bigger table too while your at it – those girls are growing up – too fast if they’re anything like mine :) But it’s always fun to spend other people’s money!!

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Constance

3 or 7. You won’t get tired of looking at them year after year and will congratulate yourself on your excellent taste again and again.

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Michelle Willms

As a chair, I love #5, but if you plan to have more than 2 at the table pictured, I believe this chair will overwhelm your table. It’s simply too large. So, to get the curve you liked in the old chairs, but with a smaller size to complement the table #6 is

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Missi

Hi, I like 5 or 7. I like the wishbone style but it may be too wide for your space. Can’t wait to see your choice.

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Amy P

The eames chair looks the most comfortable, but the Vienna chair could be pretty good too!

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Brooksie

#4! I’m always a sucker for this style, though I always end up with something closer to #3. (Thanks for the kind giveaway!)

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Angela

We have ten of the Globus chair — #2. We bought them when we moved into our last house, and bought more than we needed becuase we wanted to squeeze in a lot of people. They have been used as dining chairs (obvs), step stools, desk chairs, outdoor chairs, lounge chairs in our underfurnished family room, and stacked in a corner when not in use. They have been spilled on, painted on, sticker-ed on, left outside in the rain, jumped from and over, and rocked back on. In short, they have been abused and still look and feel great (except for the legacy of one early mystery guest who had diamond-sharp jeans rivets). They’re plenty comfortable, lightweight, and stack easily when you don’t need some. Best of all, they are slim enough to squeeze in a ton of people for the most-fun kind of dinner party. I’d buy them again if they shoud ever wear out!

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Word Lily

2 or 9. But I appear to be very much in the minority. Guess it depends what you think of as modern (2 qualifies, to my eye, but lots of the others look either retro or traditional).

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Susan

I own the #2 Globus chairs – they are my dining room chairs and they are seriously great. Seriously great. I have them in multiple colors. I stack them. They are very comfortable for dining, and they also hold up very well as work chairs – as in, sidle up to the table, plug in your laptop, and go. I would buy them again in a heartbeat. We wait for them to go on sale at Design Within Reach and buy one or two more as we go. Did I mention that they stack?

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Sarah

Chair 5 – they look like they would be the most comfortable! Enjoy your new purchase, whichever you choose!

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Lissa

I’m partial to the wishbone (#5) because we have a set of them in our dining room, in black, and we love them. They’re VERY comfortable. One drawback is that any greasy food dropped on the cane seats will leave a faint stain.

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Georgie

I think 3 or 5. 1 looks like it would feel cold in the winter, and 2 looks a bit hard. 4 and 6 are just a bit boring, and I don’t like the “playgroup-y” feel of 7. 8 to me is too modern for a kitchen (and doesn’t look like it would fit with the rest of the room, from what you can see in the picture!) and 9 just screams “office” to me, which frankly is the last thing I want to be thinking of when I get home and sit down for dinner! 3 reminds me of the chairs we had at home growing up – sensible, comfortable wooden chairs, but the red makes them fun and modern. And 5 is my second favourite – it looks comfortable and stylish, but I do just love 3 – it looks like home!

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Stefania Avalos

#4!!!! Thonet Vienna Chair
I think they’ll look so great in that space! :)

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Whitney

Definitely #5. It looks like it’s really comfortable and will fit in with your decor. I like them all though!

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Annie

#3– The Salt Chair
Classic.
The higher back would be more comfy (and multiple slats usually make it more comfy than a style like #4).
PLUS it has a “food” name– ‘gotta love that!

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sara

I like number 8…it looks the comfiest to me (I heart cushions for my bony butt) and I like chairs that swivel (which it appears to do?). :)

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CB

I am a person who always looks for comfort so I choose #5 (it has a cushion so I assume comfortable)with #8 in second place (but I actually don’t care for the look of #8 for your dining area). #1 and #7 seems very trendy right now but I would stay away from those for that very reason (reason being is that it takes me forever to change things up at my house and if I purchase something trendy, then it can get dated too quickly for me). Keep us posted on your decision! :)

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Jessica

I vote for the tolix chair….I’ve been eyeing them for my own dining room (although I don’t know how comfortable they’d be?)

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Gracie

I love #5! I have always liked these chairs, but with two little boys they are not an option right now. I actually have a blue version of #1. Not super comfy, but I can scrub them!

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susanj

#3
I have to say i love #5 and even consider for myself but the idea of trying to clean the seat after my kids finished eating was a nightmare. i have been told that it is not the easiest to clean. Love that you are keeping the red!

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Emily

I’m choosing #3, the Salt Chair, for most comfortable to sit in as you hang out during a great meal. Back support, difficult to tip over (can you tell I have 3 kids?), sturdy, and won’t look dated in 5 years.

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coral

I’m totally into the salt chair for the way it bridges modern decor into a more traditional house. I want them in black for my own place!

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Kathryn

I say 7! It looks comfy and it will also draw the eye in, and around, your table.

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N

#2 — I think these would look best with your table, and a previous commenter confirmed that they are comfortable.

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gabrielle

I have a set of #1 tolix knockoffs in red from Overstock. They are gorgeous, but I wouldn’t buy them again as they get too cold to sit on at times. Once I get a new dining set they will go outside on the patio.

I would go for #5 :-)

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Nerissa

Oo, this was tough. I settled on #5, wishbone, though I initially was going to go for the Navy chair (what I’d choose for my own black walnut table if I was in the market).

PS: Already own DALS book, so if I win, I’ll give mine away to a lucky friend!

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Amy G

#3 is simple and comfortable-looking. I hate when there’s nothing to support my back and I feel like I’m going to slip backward through the chair.

But I’m weird. YMMV.

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Avril

I like #2 and #7. Make sure they are comfortable and that the legs are not too wide. The pushing in and pulling out factor needs to be tested :) Good luck, so many good choices and love the red!!!

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Hilary

I love 3 for its timeless look but I can kind of see 5 as well. they look comfortable!

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Brooke

I love #3, the salt chair! We’re going to be remodeling our kitchen soon, and I’m thinking a bold colored chair may need to happen!

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Lisa

2 looks like the perfect blend between modern design and comfy construction, and would go well with your table. Whatever you get, I hope it brings you years of enjoyment!

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Kate

I like #7 the best, and we have it in an aluminum finish; my taste is so traditional, though, that I offer #2 as an alternate choice to stretch myself!

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Stuart

2 Wishbones and 2 shakers. Will be a statement (and by using 2 shakers on the side, you can probably buy 2 extra to pull over when you need more seats)

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Sarah

#9! I have them at my breakfast table (in grey) and they have been great–durable and comfortable too.

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Leslie

I buy kitchen chairs based on comfort so I’d go with 3 or 7. Altho 2 is prolly comfortable, I don’t like the style.

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Sarah

I like #7. (The Wishbone chair is the one we have at work, and it really isn’t comfortable to sit in at great length. Same with the molded plastic Eames-y one).

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Lydia

Well, I’ve mulled this over for a little too long.

#7. It has a more supportive back than a few others. Not quite as cushy as a rounded back BUT it’s classic yet a little different and not overdone.

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Catherine Beaudet

#5 looks like the most comfortable, they have my vote (not mention that I have the green ones at my place ^_^)

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Jen

#5! Or if not that, then #3. Some of the others look flimsy, like there might not be quite enough room for your bum.

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chiara

like so many others – #3. I’m not sure if that’s the Serena and Lily $$$ one but Target just started making a version and they’re 2 for $119. (I couldn’t get your link to work). I love them and I’m trying to convince my sister-in-law to get them.

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Courtney

#9 We have four white and one black with arms and one red with arms. Comfortable, easy to clean. We chose the Eiffel legs. The Eames red is really a great red.

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Liz

Sorry I have 2 comments! It wasn’t working at first so I mistakenly put in two comments! Not trying to be sneaky!

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kellen

for comfort and durability I vote #9 or possibly #5.

Many of the other chairs I don’t find comfortable (1, 2, 4, 6, and 7)

I love #8, but I find them difficult to move around, and kitchen table chairs need to be able to move around.

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Tara

I like #3 & #7!
I actually own #9, and it is OK in the comfort zone, but (on the Ikea version!) the screws on the legs have a tendency to slowly unscrew themselves, making the seat a bit wobbly.

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Kath the Cook

#5 hands down. Plus I think it’s good you can’t just replace your current chairs with the same – you should switch it up!

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Amanda

We have #1 in our dining room (not red though) and while they are super easy to clean and I love the look, they make your bottom cold. I like 5. And I hope your bottom remains warm always.

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Tess

Just want to warn against #9. The fasteners loosen easily and the legs ‘flex’ under weight which makes for unpleasant sitting.

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Erin

#1. It doesn’t resemble your current chairs as much, but switching it up might be nice. In addition, I have the Restoration Hardware version of this chair and like it a lot. I find it perfectly comfy, and while it does start off cold, it warms up quickly. Plus warmth is easily solved with some of those Ikea sheepskins or a nice cushion. :)

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Janis

I like #3, but I’m a bit of a traditionalist. But might be nice to mix up the more traditional with the contemporary. . .

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Carolyn

Hello Jenny and Andy
Chair #8 the Saarinen Tulip is my choice.
Its pedestal style matches that of your table, and its white color matches your window trim and radiator. Last but not least it looks comfortable, which is important when eating or spending any length of time sitting.
Have fun deciding –> it was tough enough when you had just the 9 choices of chairs. Now you have hundreds of opinions too!
Carolyn

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Angela

I have wishbones # 5
Seat bottoms might be tough to keep clean for every day – ours are in the dining room
Got mine on Overstock- in black
Love love them, so comfy
Highly recommend if you can handle mess on woven seats
If not go salt, classic plus modern
And you can wipe them down when mess happens

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Heather

I vote for 3…if only because I’ve been eyeing the Salt chair for awhile. I want them for my own dining table! I think they would look good with your set up, too.

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Shannon

LOVE #5…looks the most comfortable too so to encourage family discussions (….maybe?) ;)

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Becky

I like #1 the best, but it doesn’t look very comfortable. 2, 3, 4 and 6 seem to have VERY narrow legs and I wonder how they’d hold up over time. So, I am leaning toward #5 – wider, more comfy looking.

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Bridgit

There’s a lot of salt chair love here, but I lean toward 2 (Angela’s review was quite glowing ), 1, 8. Whatever you choose, I hope it’s comfortable!

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Kate

I like 4. 6 also has nice lines but I worry a little one would not have enough back support.

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Laura

I cannot deny my taste — #3. I think they would be great new chairs for your dining room. Classic, comfortable and red!

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Catie

Love 1 and 5. Really though as long as it’s red- you are on the right track! Your original chairs inspired me to put red stools in my kitchen

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Margery

#4 for sure! It reminds me of French bistro chairs and is a bit more modern than #3 and not as boxy as #7.

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Joey

#2 looks the comfy-ist while #6 looks the sleek-ist. #2 is my vote. I want my friends to be comfortable.

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Joey

#2 looks the comfy-ist while #6 looks the sleek-ist. #2 is my vote. I want my friends to be comfortable and chic

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Genevieve Foxworth

This is my fourth attempt at a comment (Bad Feedly) so I’ll just say #7 Navy Chair all the way.

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Cay

#9! Cool, but not too cool, and comfortable, which you need so that everyone wants to stay at the table.

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Catalina

I’ve just fell in love with your blog,, specially your lists! Congrats on an excellent job!!! Definitely number 6, understated, classic, bright red!

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Jenn

You have to test run (aka, sit in them) before you choose. Meals are too important to suffer in uncomfortable chairs.

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Jessie

5 because it looks comfy. Although I also like 8 because I had to stare at it a while before I realized it wasn’t a glass of red wine!

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Mark

Love #5, although the Eames chairs are beautiful in red and the plastic is so easy to clean!

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Rosie

Originally went for 7 until I saw the dining room in which they will be used and immediately changed my choice to 3…yes, 3 it is!

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cgw

#5 is gorgeous, but it’s hard to tell how much space it will take up around a round table. I also love #9. I think either would work fabulously.

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No. 5 looks the most comfortable, and I personally like the most the design of 8 (it is just like a glass filled with red wine!), but I guess any of the remaining will fit your dinning room better – 2 or 9 are more fancy, if you want to add some more flavor to the room. The idea I think might be also that each of you select his/her favorite one or second favorite if the same repeats and you buy four different chairs. Everyone will have his/her chair then. When I was a child (had two brothers) we always struggle who sits where and it is so nice to have your own, somehow marked place.

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Pauline

I vote #9 as I tried one just like it today and it was very comfortable. Also love the wishbone one but I think its arms may get in the way of smaller diners.

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Tracy

4…or 5, b/c it looks a little more comfortable. Unless 5 is too big for the table. Good luck deciding!

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lisa2

#7. I have been lusting after the Navy chairs forever. Classic, comfortable, durable.

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rachel

i’m pretty sure #9 is the same make we just acquired as a first anniversary gift to selves. my husband did the purchasing, so i’m not precisely sure, but the shape is very similar. our decision was based on a restaurant in our neighborhood in sf – durable, handsome, and very very comfortable

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Lizzie

I like #1 and #5!! They look both comfy and sturdy. Some of the other styles look not super comfy to learn back into – you’d have to sit up super straight!

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koot

the wishbone, because i’ve been loving it from afar for years. But as other commenters said, not sure how the seat will hold up (or how much you mind stains)…

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Adrianne

Several are great, but WITH YOUR TABLE, I would prefer #2.

You’ll love any you get, I’m sure :-)

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Karin

I’m gonna go with 7, they seem to be at the right point between modern and classic.

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Nisserine

Definitely #7. Not too modern, good shape and looks comfortable and long lasting.

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Adela Chavez

I like the idea of a different one for each family member. If I was gonna go all out, I’d find four tag sale wooden chairs, spend one weekend day sanding, and one weekend day spray painting fire-engine red with Rustoleum enamel paint!

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Liz K

#8 and #9 are both gorgeous but the tulip chairs tend to be heavy and hard to move and the molded is uncomfortable to lean forward in. I love the wishbone chair for looks but the little knobbies where the front legs attach hurt like a mutha if you sit down wrong so my vote would be #7 for practicality.

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val

have you looked through the whole internet? i love your current chairs and feel like you *must* be able to find something comparable. (i guess i am in the #3 and #7 camp otherwise, but it feels like a big compromise.)

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Sarah

I would pick #7, but #3 is a close second and perhaps more similar to your current chairs, may they rest in peace. :)

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Kirsten

#3 seems perfect for that room, but I love #5 also.

Some others are interesting, but I would not want to cozy up to a bowl of that amazing ragu in mid Feb on any metal chair!

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Susan

# 4 ! Reminds me of eating pizza bagels at my Aunt Marilyns. #8 is kind of cool , reminds me of the Dating Game but not a fan of cushions + kids.

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Kristina

There’s nothing like a bunch of colored bentwoods (I have a hunch No. 4 is slightly more comfortable than No. 6) but I don’t think you could go wrong with No. 3!

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jenn w.

I like # 5- similar to what you have now in style, and I envision myself (as a friend in my head) leaning back in one (after having some spectacular tried and true homemade goodness that you created) exclaiming how incredibly full I was and how everyone should experience Jenny’s home cooking :)

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Ashley

#5. I’m drooling over them as we speak. (But #7 is pretty sweet too.)

Will you share where we can find these lovely options when the contest ends?

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katie

so many good options! i like 3, 4, 5 and 6, though i think i’d choose #4 in your room. the red is so fun!

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Emily T

Number 3. I love number 5, but I have chairs like that in the kitchen and I am constantly digging tiny pieces of rice from between the straw fibers. You must get seats you can WIPE

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Michelle in Montana

Oooo! I love number 7. but thinking number 5 would keep you closer to the vibe you have going on right now. Change is good, right?! so 7 for sure!

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Anthea

I love #5 but they might drive you nuts if you can’t just wipe them down .
So then I’d go for #2!

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Bettie

#9 is probably the most comfortable for little bottoms and bigger butts. Probably not metal or those with flat, small seats like 3, 4 and 6. They tend to hurt after a while. 5, although stylish and looks comfortable is pretty impractical with the rush seat, as is 8 (looks like fabric). Good luck!

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Jane

We have something very similar to #3 (I think they were called Boothbay from Maine Cottage) in red no less and they are great, although I’ve admired #2 at a friend’s house. We have Tolix chairs outside and I’ve got to tell you, that metal can be a little hard to sit on after I while. I don’t know why wood would feel any softer, but it does :-)

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Michael

#4 or #6 – I keep seeing the arch in the picture when looking at the back of the chairs

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Julie

I would chose 7 based on comfort and the red color goes all the way down the leg. I like some of these but the legs are not red so they wouldn’t look as good in your space. Hope this helps.

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Jennifer Lightsey

I love 5 and 7, but I think the metal on the navy chair would be cold…. So i’d choose 7.

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Anne A

I agree with many, #3, it is comfortable, classic and modern at the same time…in red! We have similiar chairs, in boring brown, that we have eaten our dinner at for 33 years, now with the grands :)

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